TRIUMPH MODIFIED HEADS:- ("A detuner's encyclopedia".)

Here are typical flowbench figures for triumph heads & the power you can expect to get:-

Does this sound like a black art?

Why do engines very rarely develop their potential power?

Quite simply because the majority of tuning companies (& most of the OE manufacturers) specialise in DETUNING the engines.

How is this explained?

The reality is based on various components and their design.
Mostly, design remains far from optimal quite apart from production spread.
So, as you can see it's far more accurate to represent the original output power based on head flow then SUBTRACT using a 25% degrade in head flow performance to show what you can expect to see.

This is for a number of reasons.

  • OEM camshafts are very mild, with lift that doesn't often achieve optimal flow.

  • (On the OEM Triumph head this is about 0.360").

  • Modified camshafts are usually very poor, with profiles that weren't actually developed for that engine at all.

  • (As you can see the TR5/TR6 CP Pi camshaft, always comes very close to optimal!)

  • Exhaust silencers & inlet systems can be/are constrictive.


  • Most tuners selling after market exhausts, have no idea what they are doing & are not interested in giving value for money.


  • Some OEM cars were VERY far from their real potential. (Eg. GT6 engine)

  • Above is a graph showing the various influences on head flow as a function of modification.

    This is not silly conjecture, it's the result of very careful testing of each individual component.

    As you can see, the largest improvement is made by changes to the seat and valve shape, then as lift passes 0.250" it is overtaken by the short side radius of the inlet port.

    A law against obscenity?

    What is quite amusing is to see the kind of weird theories expounded.
    Several people speculated on the much increased perfomance to be had, down-drafting the Triumph head.
    (Even D Vizard stated this!)
    The held belief is that gas has difficulty going around a corner!
    This theory is hilarious, had it not been tested.

    The fact is;- you can modify the Triumph head in this kind of way UNTIL you can literally SEE into the chambers...and yet it STILL flows LESS!
    It's even funnier when you see the kind of techniques being used to modify Dolomite 4V heads.
    JOIN THE RANKS OF THE DETUNERS, you simply will enjoy, NOT BEING ALONE at least, & doing more "arm-chair detuning" over the internet in your spare time, with others..
    Contrary to belief, almost NO HEAD combo will ever achieve better than -20% degrade (call it a detune) unless the exhaust ports & manifold are really good.
    In this case it may be possible to see it close to -10% or better in truly exceptional cases. (Better than -20% is usually only possible on 4V engines).

    It MUST be said, the treatment of 4V engines SEEMS TO BE, even further from optimal if you take into account the figures shown here.
    (The Dolomite engine is 65bhp short of its potential target FROM THE FACTORY!)

    The excellent Spen King designed Dolomite and Jaguar 4V engines fall SO FAR short of optimal, that they literally become laughable!

    (The Jaguar 24V engine is MUCH worse, running about 120bhp short of its proper target!)
    This really SHOULD NOT BE.
    4V engines are inherently more stable & lower loss than their 2V ancestors

    How on earth could sane people & so called "highly qualified engineers" do things this badly?

    How to use this anti-bullshit guide:-

    For some idea how to calculate the potential power of your favourite engine, enter the head flow figure referred to in the 1st column cross referenced of the 6th column "marked -25%"

    Stab the calculator by multiplying that figure by the number of cylinders.
    Next if you are SO SURE your tuning skills are exceptional, stab the figures from the "5th column" (no pun intended) into your calculator.

    You are probably already DREAMING!

    An example:- If you think you are a TOTALLY AMAZING head porter:-
    You just got your TR6 head to flow an exceptional 140cfm (good luck!)
    Multiply 30.8 x 6
    Answer 185bhp.
    YES this is ALL you will get with Webers.
    (In other words only about 10bhp more than a bog standard really well put together TR6 pi with the right exhaust system on!)
    Gutted? You bet it's a lot of money for spending an extra €3500 on Spanish webers that don't work right, a hot cam & a "flowed head"!

    If you can con your rolling road to exaggerate the figures & your exhaust and Pi system is perfectly up to scratch
    Multiply 32.8 x 6.
    Sorry this is IT. 197bhp, not 220, not 240 or 250. You can't cheat proper maths.

    197bhp is ALL you will get, on a good day with engine temp at 60C.

    If you eventually manage to get the right exhaust valves & achieve this big improvement in exhaust ports done here, multiply
    37 x 6.
    This gives 222bhp. again NOT 251, not anything like it!

    SORRY to break your dreams!

    Rough n ready flow calculator:-
    CFM Flow figure 25" 10" equiv bhp per cyl (cfm/2.2) -10% -20% -25% eg.
    80 52 23.6 21.2 18.9 17.7 STANDARD 1500 spitfire
    90 58 26.4 23.7 21.1 19.8
    100 64.5 29 26.1 23.2 21.75
    105 67.7 30.8 27.7 24.6 23.1
    110 71 32.3 29 25.8 24.2 STANDARD TR5 Pi
    115 74 33.6 30.2 26.9 25.2 STANDARD GT6 11
    120 77 35 31.5 28 26.3
    122 78.7 35.8 32.2 28.6 26.9
    125 80.5 36.6 33 29.2 27.5
    128 82.5 37.5 33.8 30 28.1
    130 83.9 38.1 34.3 30.5 28.6 GOOD modified Spitfire
    133 85.8 39 35.1 31.2 29.2
    135 87 39.5 35.6 31.6 29.6
    138 89 40.5 36.4 32.4 30.4
    140 90.3 41 37 32.8 30.8 Claimed to be best head ever done for a TR6 race car
    (N COLL)
    142 91.6 41.6 37.5 33.2 31.2
    145 93.5 42.5 38.3 34 31.9 Really GOOD modified GT6 2L
    147 94.8 43 38.8 34.4 32.3
    150 96.8 44 39.6 35.2 33
    152 98 44.5 40 35.6 33.4
    155 100 45.5 41 36.4 34.1
    160 103.2 47 42.3 37.6 35.3
    165 106 48 42.2 38.4 36
    220 142 64.5 58 51.6 48.4 STANDARD Dolomite 16V
    230 148 67 58 53.6 50.2
    240 155 70.5 63.5 56.4 52.9
    250 161 73 65.7 58.4 54.75
    260 168 76 68.6 60.8 57
    Heads from Standard Triumph & GTT Conversions
    Head Head Number Max figure inlet@25" Figure converted to 10"@0.450" MAX potential Power per cyl worked back from CFM figure (/2.2) degrading factor -10% degrading factor -20% degrading factor -25% Original power OEM Shortfall Action required to get -20% Action required to get -10%
    OEM. GT-6 Mk2 517528 113 73 33 29.9 26.4 24.8 98 (130
    on Pi)
    50 (18) Change camshaft to TR5 with Pi not poss
    OEM. Spitfire 1500 TKC1155 80 52 23.6 21.3 18.9 17.7 70 1 n/r not poss
    OEM. 1300/1500 TOLEDO 218139/40 90 58 26.4 23.7 21.1 19.8 71 8 Change cam to Mk3 type, maybe exhaust manifold etc Not poss
    OEM. TR5/6 Pi 516816 109 70 31.8 28.6 25.4 23.9 143 0 POSSIBLE.Blueprint/balance then change inlet filter barrel.change exhaust silencers Change to good 6-3-1 manifold.
    Mod metering unit
    OEM. Dolomite 16V UKC1418 220 142 64.5 58.0 51.6 48.4 127 67! NOT POSS*.But Notice how this head flows DOUBLE the TR6 head! Blueprint/balance then change inlet filter design, change exhaust silencers,longer cam duration
    (doesn't need more lift).
    Not poss* because lack of space
    Modified Heads:-
    Head Head Number Max figure inlet@25" Figure converted to 10"@0.450" MAX potential Power per cyl worked back from CFM figure (/2.2) degrading factor -10% degrading factor -20% degrading factor -25% Original power OEM Shortfall Action required to get -20% Action required to get -10%
    MOD. GT-6 Mk2 517528 145 93.5 42.5 38.3 34 31.9 155
    30 Change camshaft to ideal profile CR increase etc. POSSIBLE to -10% = 230bhp.
    MOD. Spitfire 1500 TKC1155 80 52 23.6 21.3 18.9 17.7 70 1 IMPOSSIBLE Needs larger valves not poss
    MOD. 1300/1500 TOLEDO 218139/40 130 84 38 34.2 30.4 28.5 114-145 0 posssible with mild cam. This head needs to be used as a basis.Can get better than -10%! Only doable on Mk3 engine
    MOD. TR5/6 Pi 516816 219016 etc (makes no diff) 140 90 41 36.9 32.8 30.75 180 5 this equates to a maximum poss of 197Bhp. -10% = 221bhp. POSSIBLE. Some claims to reach 250bhp.

    Theoretic max is 246bhp IMPOSSIBLE
    MOD. TR3/4 late head 155 100 45.5 41 36.4 34.1 165 MAX 0 this equates to a maximum poss of 165Bhp.

    NB:- the TR4 engine especially in ENLARGED form has EXACTLY the same bore/stroke as the Jaguar AJ6 3.6L engine (which is a modern 4V engine) This means the ideal peak power is no higher than 6800rpm.
    POSSIBLE.
    Some have claimed to reach 225bhp.

    The 100% Theoretic max is only 180bhp so more is IMPOSSIBLE
    MOD. Dolomite 16V UKC1418 260 168 76.2 68.6 61 57.1 228 18! It's perfectly possible to get 245bhp from this engine without excessive revs or over hot cams.
    (doesn't need & must not use much more lift).
    space & cooling considerations, but the engine is capable of a genuine 275bhp+.